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| readeralexey | Дата: Суббота, 02.11.2024, 07:40 | Сообщение # 1 |
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| Have you ever planted a garden? Then you are aware how much care goes into every act: the preparing of the soil, the sowing of the seed, the watering of the seedling, the pruning of the mature plant. So it must be with prayer. True prayer is not the accident of happenstance, but the ripe fruit of the well-tended garden of the heart.
Bishop Irenei Steenberg
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| tsumskaa30 | Дата: Воскресенье, 03.11.2024, 15:39 | Сообщение # 2 |
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| I like this extended metaphor of bishop Irenei where he compares prayer with a ripe fruit in the garden of our heart.
Indeed, we as week weak and sinful people can easily fall into despondency just because we realise how difficult it is to pray attentively and unceasingly as Christians are called to. Especially in our modern hustle culture we want to achieve our goals within a short time. However, it is practically impossible to become a saint within a month.
Of course, we feel disappointed because of our failure but we should remind ourselves that in order to achieve the state of constant prayer we should labour a lot. For we read in Gospel that “…the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force” (Mth. 11:12). («… Царство Небесное силою берется, и употребляющие усилие восхищают его» (Мф. 11:12))
To conclude, I firmly believe that bishop Irenei’s metaphor will inspire Christians not to fall into despondency but rather labour with hope anticipating the state of true prayer.
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Сообщение отредактировал readeralexey - Четверг, 19.12.2024, 15:15 |
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| dawa2311 | Дата: Воскресенье, 03.11.2024, 22:40 | Сообщение # 3 |
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| Have you planted a garden? Then, you are aware how much care goes into every act: the preparing of soil, the sowing of the seed the watering of the seeding, the pruning of the mature plant. So, it must must be the prayer. True prayer is not the accident of happenstance, but the ripe fruit of the well-tended garden of the heart. This is the quote of bishop Irenei Steenberg. I agree with issue and I 'd like to give a comment on it.
We know many saints who continued the tradition of . hesychasm. The tradition of the concentration on prayer. For example, Seraphim of Sarov, or Sergei of Radonezh. The Lord Himself prayed in the garden of Gethsemane till the bloody sweat. It is the demonstration of work. A true prayer is hard work. That's why bishop Irenei uses this metaphor of planting the garden. If we plant the garden carefully and attentively, it will give us many fruits. The same is with prayer. If we pray really attentively and sincerely, God will hear our prayer and we will get a fruit from our garden.
However, I should say we pray like that very seldom. Most of our prayers are the texts learned by heart. We just say the words with out any attention and concentration. Many of people in modern church even don't know the meaning of the Church Slavonic words in prayers. I think it must be even offensive for God.
In conclusion, I would like to say that I hope that modern Christian society will pray more sincerely and attentively and every Christian person will get not only one fruit from the garden of his heart.
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Сообщение отредактировал dawa2311 - Суббота, 21.12.2024, 17:40 |
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| abalakinan27 | Дата: Понедельник, 11.11.2024, 19:44 | Сообщение # 4 |
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| I truly believe that it is true and I can judge it from my own experience. The path to salvation is narrow, long and thorny. Christians should put a lot of effort, they should be zealous in order to obtain true divine blessed gifts of salvation. We should aim for our salvation, we should really strive for it and the only way to do so, the key to it - is prayer. Prayer is our communication and interaction with God. Saying sincere prayers can be difficult for monks, let alone a laymen layman. But seeing our efforts and good intentions God will teach us how to glorify Him properly. The thing is that we should be worthy of it.
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Сообщение отредактировал readeralexey - Четверг, 19.12.2024, 15:28 |
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| katyadorniak | Дата: Среда, 20.11.2024, 21:34 | Сообщение # 5 |
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| I agree with Bishop Irenaeus. Although, I am ashamed to admit, I have never planted a garden - this is the fate of a resident of a big city. But I can imagine how it works.
Prayer, like a garden, requires care, attention and dedication to thrive. Just as a gardener must prepare the soil, plant seeds and take care of plants, so we must educate our hearts through discipline and efforts aimed at developing true prayer. It does not come by chance, but develops through constant practice, reflection and the desire to connect with God. Without such care, prayer becomes shallow and ineffective, like an unkempt garden. By reaching out to our hearts with love and devotion, we can feel the deep and fruitful connection that prayer brings.
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| lisaswan001 | Дата: Пятница, 29.11.2024, 22:42 | Сообщение # 6 |
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| It is impossible to disagree with the bishop Irinei's quote. Prayer is the endless work of a person who believes in God. Prayer is not just asking God for something in the middle of the day. Prayer is always an appeal from the whole heart, the whole soul and the whole being, a plea for forgiveness, help and the greatest gratitude.
St Gregory Palamas is the main teacher for me about prayer. I was fortunate enough to visit a monastery in Greece where St Gregory is the main patron saint. The nuns told me the importance of unceasing prayer, constant communion with God, unceasing gratitude addressed to Him. St Gregory teaches all Christians that it is more often necessary to remember the name of God in prayer than to breathe air: «For even when we sit at needlework, and when we walk, and when we eat, and when we drink, we can always pray with our minds and make intelligent prayer, prayer that is pleasing to God, true prayer. With the body we shall work, and with the soul we shall pray».
I love St Gregory Palamas very much, for me he is one of the most important saints in my life, so I respect his teachings on prayer and try very hard to follow his instructions.
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Сообщение отредактировал lisaswan001 - Пятница, 29.11.2024, 22:45 |
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| lolosipovanika | Дата: Суббота, 30.11.2024, 12:50 | Сообщение # 7 |
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| I really like how Bishop Irenei Steenberg compares prayer with a garden. Indeed, both require a lot of effort. If you want a beautiful garden, you need to look after every leaf, every flower and every branch quite often. If you forget about it, your garden will fade, not giving the ripe fruit. However, the same situation we have with prayer to God, we shouldn't forget to do it every day, or all our effort will be lost labour, and our soul will fade.
Also, I do like that the final aim of our prayers is a garden called Eden. So if you treat your prayers like a beautiful garden, you'll get the ripe fruit and reach the Garden of Eden.
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Сообщение отредактировал lolosipovanika - Четверг, 05.12.2024, 20:30 |
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| sodrozdova | Дата: Воскресенье, 01.12.2024, 14:29 | Сообщение # 8 |
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| I have always dreamed about having my own apple tree garden. I believe that the process of planting starts with an idea. First, you need to think about what you want to see in your garden and where you want to place it. I think this is similar to choosing a church and a spiritual father. Without a suitable place to plant your seeds and good fertilizers, you cannot expect to harvest. The same goes for prayer. Church is your field to cultivate and a priest can help you improve your prayer skills. So, while I agree with this statement, I think there are other important aspects to consider.
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| veronikachernykh15 | Дата: Воскресенье, 01.12.2024, 22:34 | Сообщение # 9 |
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| Without a doubt, I completely agree with this statement. There is no other way for an Orthodox Christian to truly learn how to pray than through hard work and dedication.
To begin, one must find time to pray and develop a regular practice. In addition to praying in the temple, it is also essential to learn how to do so at home. This can be done either separately from the rest of the family or together.
Once the practice of prayer has been established, it is important to learn how to focus on the act of praying and put aside all other concerns in order to connect with God. It is also crucial to remember that the ability to concentrate during prayer is a skill that must be developed over time.
Despite the challenges that may arise, such as crises of faith or emotional experiences, the desire to pray should always be present in the heart. It may seem difficult at first, but with persistence and dedication, anyone can learn to pray effectively. Indeed, Christians have been practicing prayer for centuries, and it seems that not everyone has mastered this skill despite attending church for many years.
As for me, I would like to pay more attention to long prayers. When I was a little girl, my godmother, a nun from the Diveevo Monastery, taught me the Jesus Prayer. So, during times when I have a lot of negative thoughts, this prayer helps me a lot.
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Сообщение отредактировал veronikachernykh15 - Воскресенье, 01.12.2024, 22:34 |
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