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St. Ambrose of Optina
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| readeralexey | Дата: Суббота, 16.11.2024, 19:21 | Сообщение # 1 |
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| It is better to yield. If you insist on fairness, it is the same as a paper ruble, but if you yield, it is a silver ruble.
St. Ambrose of Optina
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| katyadorniak | Дата: Среда, 20.11.2024, 21:15 | Сообщение # 2 |
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| I agree with St. Ambrose of Optina. Indeed, yielding often brings greater value and peace than insisting on fairness or winning an argument. Demanding fairness may seem just, but it often leads to conflict or resentment, that triggers the worst in people. On the other hand, yielding demonstrates humility, patience, and love, which are far more precious in the eyes of God. By letting go of pride or the need to be right, we foster harmony and reflect Christ-like virtues. I used to enjoy quarreling with random people on the Internet, but the more I matured, the more I realised that it was pointless and simply not good for my mental state even if I would fight for what I considered to be fair.
In the end, yielding can transform relationships and strengthen our character in ways that insisting on fairness cannot.
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| lolosipovanika | Дата: Пятница, 29.11.2024, 01:47 | Сообщение # 3 |
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| Words of St. Ambrose of Optina reminded me of a quote by famous Austrian writer Marie Von Ebner-Eschenbach. Her point is absolutely the same as St. Ambrose's, but she explains it with other words: "The one who is smarter gives way first". She believed that this immortal truth reveals the world's domination of stupidity.
Certainly, the idea of St. Ambrose is that the smartest can exercise their patience and it's connected with the Austrian writer's quote. But while she is talking more about things in general, St. Ambrose has more Christian formulation, meaning that a true Christian should be humble and patient and show what fairness is not with wrath, but with patient behaviour, manners and way of life.
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Сообщение отредактировал lolosipovanika - Четверг, 05.12.2024, 20:32 |
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| lisaswan001 | Дата: Суббота, 30.11.2024, 12:26 | Сообщение # 4 |
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| I totally agree with St. Ambrose’s quote and I'm sure it is based on the doctrine of humility. It is always better to give in to a person, to do as they want. Justice has no meaning if it is achieved through quarrels and offence.
I find it very difficult not to respond to the rude words of strangers thrown at my friends or me. It seems unfair to me to leave it as it is, to keep silent, but I try to fight myself all the time, as I realise deep down that my words will do no good. This person will only make sure that he or she is right, and I will be left with a bad feeling in my soul and will worry for a long time.
In a conflict with a loved one, a Christian should always humble himself and go first to ask for forgiveness, even if he is not at fault. This is the most basic rule of humility.
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Сообщение отредактировал lisaswan001 - Суббота, 30.11.2024, 12:26 |
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| sodrozdova | Дата: Воскресенье, 01.12.2024, 15:23 | Сообщение # 5 |
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| The first thought that came to me after reading this quote is that if we don't give in, we are no different from those who are stubborn. However, being able to compromise and not stand on our point of view is not always easy to achieve. It requires humility and bravery to fight our irritation towards others who don't want to give in.
I believe that the first step should be prayer. Whenever we feel that someone doesn't want to listen to us or acts in a pushy manner, we should take a step back and pray. This will help us find the right solution.
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| veronikachernykh15 | Дата: Воскресенье, 01.12.2024, 23:38 | Сообщение # 6 |
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| I agree that we should always be willing to compromise in an argument. I believe this is essential for us as Christians. As I have gotten older, I have realized that arguing with others is just meaningless. It becomes obvious when someone does not want to hear any other point of view except their own. In these cases, we need to accept it.
Of course, it can be more difficult to show humility and yield in relationships with those who are really close to us. For instance, a husband or parents are not the same as friends, where we may have different opinions on historical events or some issues that are not really essential. Deep disagreements can arise within families, connected with roles in this family, how to raise children or there can be different approaches to God or politics. There is no one truth in these arguments. In my point of view, every member of a family works hard to find a solution during difficult times, rather than yielding to one person.
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Сообщение отредактировал veronikachernykh15 - Воскресенье, 01.12.2024, 23:38 |
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| dawa2311 | Дата: Воскресенье, 15.12.2024, 14:25 | Сообщение # 7 |
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| It is better to yield. If you insist on fairness, it is the same as a paper ruble, but if you yeld it is a silver ruble. These are the St. Ambrose of Optina's words. This is a quite controversial statement. I would like to express my view on this issue.
In my opinion, we should yield if we have a personal conflict or dispute. In the Gospel we can find the following words: "If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also." (Matthew, 5 : 39) Many people forget that the key word here is YOU. If someone offended you personally, as a Christian you have the right to put up, but if somebody touched your family or close friends you must protect them. If you don't protect them, it means you don't protect the honor of the Christ, because it was Christ who gave you your family, your home, your state, your country etc. If you put up with people abusing the things you cherish, it means you probably, even offend Christ.
However, I also have to mention that we do not yield even when we have a personal conflict. It is hard for us to yield, because we think the other point of view is wrong and it seems to be dishonest. I reckon that here St. Ambrose is right. We have to learn to yield and probably, after sometime we will really get a reward.
In conclusion, I would like to say that I hope we all will learn to protect the people and the things we have to, but at the same time we will remember if someone unfairly accuses us of something, it means that God cleanses us and forgives us all our sins. I also hope we all will learn to see the difference between protecting and yielding.
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Сообщение отредактировал dawa2311 - Суббота, 21.12.2024, 16:41 |
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| abalakinan27 | Дата: Воскресенье, 15.12.2024, 22:59 | Сообщение # 8 |
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| I agree with St. Ambrose of Optina. Of course, it is more difficult to yield, but this is precisely what gives a great reward. I am sure that this is how true Christian humility manifests itself, which is a great virtue before God: “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 5:3).
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